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	<title>Comments on: coming out of the froggy fog</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.hopalog.com/2006/10/27/coming-out-of-the-froggy-fog/comment-page-1/#comment-4489</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sweet of Grandma Elinor - that part made me cry.  We are eagerly awaiting your visit here with us in Minneapolis - and would take you sooner if we weren&#039;t already promised to our visit with Slade&#039;s mom.  She survived watching the boys while Slade and I went to a spouse invited conference in Phoenix, it was a lot of laying around, reading, some horseback riding, and meeting new people.  Our kids were kind to Ann and it sounds like they all had a good time bonding here.  If she could handle more activity than our four boys I&#039;d insist that you all get your butts here - especially with Halloween around the corner.  But truthfully, it will be nicer to see you all without other visitors and I&#039;m looking forward to having you all to ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sweet of Grandma Elinor &#8211; that part made me cry.  We are eagerly awaiting your visit here with us in Minneapolis &#8211; and would take you sooner if we weren&#8217;t already promised to our visit with Slade&#8217;s mom.  She survived watching the boys while Slade and I went to a spouse invited conference in Phoenix, it was a lot of laying around, reading, some horseback riding, and meeting new people.  Our kids were kind to Ann and it sounds like they all had a good time bonding here.  If she could handle more activity than our four boys I&#8217;d insist that you all get your butts here &#8211; especially with Halloween around the corner.  But truthfully, it will be nicer to see you all without other visitors and I&#8217;m looking forward to having you all to ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have one smart Dad, Kathy.  Makes me miss mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have one smart Dad, Kathy.  Makes me miss mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think about Michael all the time and really think we failed him.&quot;

Spoken like a true co-dependent. We probably trained all our kids well in this direction. I even went so far as to opine to the counselers your Mother and I went to that I thought most if not all of us were co-dependent, but they disagreed.

In any event, for what it&#039;s worth, it&#039;s more like Michael failed you and Jamie, Kitty.

But that&#039;s not even it, no one &quot;failed.&quot; 

Perhaps a better way to think about it is that you and Jamia had expectations for Michael that he was not able to fulfill, and Michael had expectations you and Jamie were not able to fulfill. That&#039;s fair. You&#039;re all 3 of you adults and each of you is the only one that has a perfect right to make choices as to how you&#039;ll live.

Letting go of Michael is good practice for that day when you and Jamie will need to let go of your children.

love, dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think about Michael all the time and really think we failed him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken like a true co-dependent. We probably trained all our kids well in this direction. I even went so far as to opine to the counselers your Mother and I went to that I thought most if not all of us were co-dependent, but they disagreed.</p>
<p>In any event, for what it&#8217;s worth, it&#8217;s more like Michael failed you and Jamie, Kitty.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not even it, no one &#8220;failed.&#8221; </p>
<p>Perhaps a better way to think about it is that you and Jamia had expectations for Michael that he was not able to fulfill, and Michael had expectations you and Jamie were not able to fulfill. That&#8217;s fair. You&#8217;re all 3 of you adults and each of you is the only one that has a perfect right to make choices as to how you&#8217;ll live.</p>
<p>Letting go of Michael is good practice for that day when you and Jamie will need to let go of your children.</p>
<p>love, dad</p>
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